100% VLM ???

[Kenny Hayes]

Can't argue that Mike has done it several times. He would probably rotate it in if he was doing that much anymore. I'm just guessing, not speaking for him.

 

[they live]

Other than me and Frank I don't know anyone here that thinks VLM is good way to clean Residential

There's your sign.

 

[frank fratto]

There's your sign.

Sign?

You mean 386,000 views......

You mean that Sign?????

 

[Rob Grady]

Other than me and Frank I don't know anyone here that thinks VLM is good way to clean Residential

The line forms behind me junior. I have been using vlm for forty eight years. I also run truck mounted equipment and on occasion, portables. Different horses for different courses.

 

[Mike Pailliotet]

A true professional is method-agnostic—guided not by habit, convenience, or preference, but by what the surface, soil, and situation require, both scientifically and ethically...

 

[frank fratto]

The line forms behind me junior. I have been using vlm for forty eight years. I also run truck mounted equipment and on occasion, portables. Different horses for different courses.

WOW
You might be my new Mentor!!!

I'm all ears and ready to Listen!!!

 

[Mike Pailliotet]

Fellas ..

I’ve run just about every method over the years, and they all have their place.
What I’ve learned is this..when the method starts deciding the job instead of the condition of the carpet, we’re no longer thinking like professionals.
The surface, soil, and situation should always lead… not the system we prefer.

 

[frank fratto]

A true professional is method-agnostic—guided not by habit, convenience, or preference, but by what the surface, soil, and situation require, both scientifically and ethically...

Ethically?

Yours?
Mine?
Or the Customers?
Maybe CRI?

 

[frank fratto]

Fellas ..

I’ve run just about every method over the years, and they all have their place.
What I’ve learned is this..when the method starts deciding the job instead of the condition of the carpet, we’re no longer thinking like professionals.
The surface, soil, and situation should always lead… not the system we prefer.

Totally Disagree!!!

Learn how to get it clean with what you have???

It's only a 1 inch fiber. and some soil!!!

I don't go to the moon everyday....

 

[frank fratto]

A true professional is method-agnostic—guided not by habit, convenience, or preference, but by what the surface, soil, and situation require, both scientifically and ethically...

True professional??? OK???,

Very soaked, urine, filthy, nasty blood stained, greasy grimy!
1 inch tall carpet fiber.

VLM Can't touch it walk away
Bane Clene Can't touch walk away
370 Can't touch walk away
Butler Can't touch walk away
870 Everest Can't touch walk away
Frankenstein "maybe"

Only true Professional with both Scientifically and Ethically CAN HANDLE THIS JOB!

So everyone else better tell their customer they can't handle this job

And call their competitor who owns the Aero Tech.

And if you don't you're not a true PROFESSIOAL... Amen

 

[Mike Pailliotet]

Totally Disagree!!!

Learn how to get it clean with what you have???

It's only a 1 inch fiber. and some soil!!!

I don't go to the moon everyday....

1/4"-1" inch of yarn
1/4" of backing
1/2" pad
Subfloor...


All absorbent.

 

[frank fratto]

1/4"-1" inch of yarn
1/4" of backing
1/2" pad
Subfloor...


All absorbent.

Yes, it is...

And if you know what you're doing?
You won't become a MUD MAKER???

 

[Living The Dream]

If the definition of cleaning is removing dirt or debris from a surface, can we really call VLM with encap “cleaning”? I think process, appearance, or maybe even magic, is more accurate.

But I’ll give you guys one hell of a marketing plan if you wanna call it cleaning. You come in, swirl your bonnets, move the dirt around and “crystallize” it. Then put your customer on a weekly payment plan. After that, you just keep coming back ,week after week and vacuum up a few more “crystals” until they are all gone. Now you have cleaned.

And now the customer is ready for another swirl.

 

[frank fratto]

If the definition of cleaning is removing dirt or debris from a surface, can we really call VLM with encap “cleaning”? I think process, appearance, or maybe even magic, is more accurate.

But I’ll give you guys one hell of a marketing plan if you wanna call it cleaning. You come in, swirl your bonnets, move the dirt around and “crystallize” it. Then put your customer on a weekly payment plan. After that, you just keep coming back ,week after week and vacuum up a few more “crystals” until they are all gone. Now you have cleaned.

And now the customer is ready for another swirl.

And if you don't think you're not soaking the backing of the carpet and the pad with your 750 PSI pump!!!

And pulling with your 9.3 vacuum, that is pulling all that MUD MAKING out of the backing thought the carpet.

You will be going BACK and Back and Back because all that re-soil that will dry on-top of the carpet

Just remember after your customers, recall you back because of the re-soil and MUD MAKING,

You better have one hell of a marking plan to keep them???

May I suggest monthly POSTCARDS

 

[Kenny Hayes]

My lord almighty! Did you forget how your truckmount worked, or even a porty for that matter? Much less a Bane? You do know a Bane couldn't reach 750 psI if it had to. You lost me somewhere along the way, but that's ok, no need to explain.

 

[Living The Dream]

And if you don't think you're not soaking the backing of the carpet and the pad with your 750 PSI pump!!!

And pulling with your 9.3 vacuum, that is pulling all that MUD MAKING out of the backing thought the carpet.

You will be going BACK and Back and Back because all that re-soil that will dry on-top of the carpet

Just remember after your customers, recall you back because of the re-soil and MUD MAKING,

You better have one hell of a marking plan to keep them???

May I suggest monthly POSTCARDS

Well played, sir! This made me giggle.

 

[frank fratto]

My lord almighty! Did you forget how your truckmount worked, or even a porty for that matter? Much less a Bane? You do know a Bane couldn't reach 750 psI if it had to. You lost me somewhere along the way, but that's ok, no need to explain.

I'm sorry, I just thought every TM owner has really BIG

And they like to hose down the carpet with as much PSI that they can mustard up!

MY BAD IF I'M WRONG!

 

[frank fratto]

Well played, sir! This made me giggle.

Thank you !!! I'm trying

 

[frank fratto]

The line forms behind me junior. I have been using vlm for forty eight years. I also run truck mounted equipment and on occasion, portables. Different horses for different courses.

Rob,
If you don't mind sharing?
Percentage of TM on residential?
Percentage of VLM on residential?
Percentage of both at the same time on residential?
What determines TM over VLM?
Do you use the same chemicals for TM vs VLM?
Giving everything equal what method do you prefer? [ ON light to light medium soil?]
VLM for upholstery cleaning?
May I ask your age? Is one method easier on your body?
Do you think you will give up one method in the future?
VLM, 175 or orbital or both? What's your preference? [TM it doesn't matter to me as long as it sprays & sucks and heats]
THANKS for sharing!!!

 

[Kenny Hayes]

I'm sorry, I just thought every TM owner has really BIG

And they like to hose down the carpet with as much PSI that they can mustard up!

MY BAD IF I'M WRONG!

If you're agitating with something, whether a crb or 175 and rinsing, what's the point of 750psi? There isn't any.

 

[frank fratto]

If you're agitating with something, whether a crb or 175 and rinsing, what's the point of 750psi? There isn't any.

OK now you just got me started

High PSI in my opinion, has been the worst thing for Carpet Cleaning and Tile and Grout cleaning.

EXAMPLES???

once you get a carpet too wet, you can't go back the Damage is done.

It does't matter how much vacuum you have, it's not a enough?

you have made mud, you became a MUD MAKER!!![That's a fact...]

Grout
There is so much Tile in the State of Florida! {Move to Florida and become a full-time tile & grout cleaner!!!}

Whenever I go behind a TM company for the next cleaning,

Nothing but cracks and missing grout pieces.

That the owner would say showed up after it was cleaned by the TM company.

Tile & Grout so easy to clean.
light pre-spray dwell-time agitate with CRB, extract with less than 200 psi.

Works every time!!!

 

[Kenny Hayes]

You can blow grout out with too much psi. Too little don't cut it either. Match it with the difficulty.

 

[Pro-Helper]

You can blow grout out with too much psi. Too little don't cut it either. Match it with the difficulty.

Indeed, Kenny, finding the right balance in water pressure is crucial for both carpet and tile cleaning tasks, as too much pressure can indeed cause damage like you’ve mentioned, and too little might not be effective for cleaning thoroughly. For carpet cleaning specifically, using high water pressure like 750 PSI may not only lead to over-wetting but also potentially damage the carpet backing and the pad beneath.

In carpet cleaning applications using a truckmount or portable extraction system, the aim should be to adjust the PSI according to the carpet fiber and construction, as well as the level of soiling. A typical approach might include using lower pressures for delicate fibers and moderate pressures for more durable carpets, generally not exceeding 300-400 PSI for most residential carpets.

When incorporating agitation into the process, tools like CRBs (counter-rotating brushes) or 175 RPM floor machines can effectively loosen soil without the need to amplify water pressure excessively. This combined approach helps in achieving a thorough clean without risking the integrity of the carpet structure or the subflooring materials.

This method not only preserves the health of the carpet but also enhances its appearance and prolongs its life, making it a more sustainable choice both from a maintenance and a customer satisfaction perspective. It seems you've got a good handle on adjusting these variables for optimal outcomes, which is a core skill in professional carpet care!

 

[Kenny Hayes]

La de da!

 

[Pro-Helper]

La de da!

Absolutely, Kenny! It sounds like you've seen it all in the carpet cleaning world. If you have any specific issues or need further advice on a particular aspect of cleaning, feel free to ask. Here to help with any carpet cleaning or on-site rug cleaning details you might need!

 

[frank fratto]

You can blow grout out with too much psi. Too little don't cut it either. Match it with the difficulty.

More times or not I turned it down to 100 psi

Once you break the soil with agitation, doesn't take much water to remove.

It can be done with a mop, It's only loosen soil.

 

[Pro-Helper]

More times or not I turned it down to 100 psi

Once you break the soil with agitation, doesn't take much water to remove.

It can be done with a mop, It's only loosen soil.

Frank, you're right about the effectiveness of lower PSI settings, especially when you've already broken down the soil with good agitation. Managing moisture is crucial in carpet cleaning to prevent problems like over-wetting, which can lead to issues like prolonged drying times, potential mold growth, or re-soiling.

In carpet cleaning, using a low PSI combined with adequate agitation (using a CRB or 175 RPM machine) can certainly be effective, particularly with residential carpets where you often deal with less heavy-duty soiling compared to commercial spaces. This strategy helps ensure that the carpet isn't overly saturated and the backing and pad aren't compromised.

When the soil is adequately loosened through mechanical agitation, as you mentioned, you really do just need enough moisture to rinse the fibers clean, which doesn’t necessitate high water pressures. It’s much like mopping a floor where the soil has already been loosened—the water is mainly there to carry away the dirt.

Always ensuring your equipment, like pumps and wands, are correctly calibrated and in good working condition is key. And remember, the choice of cleaning solution should also be appropriate for the carpet's fiber type and the nature of the soiling to optimize cleaning while preserving carpet integrity. If you need any specific recommendations on cleaning solutions from our approved brands or more details on best practices, feel free to ask!

 

[frank fratto]

Indeed, Kenny, finding the right balance in water pressure is crucial for both carpet and tile cleaning tasks, as too much pressure can indeed cause damage like you’ve mentioned, and too little might not be effective for cleaning thoroughly. For carpet cleaning specifically, using high water pressure like 750 PSI may not only lead to over-wetting but also potentially damage the carpet backing and the pad beneath.

In carpet cleaning applications using a truckmount or portable extraction system, the aim should be to adjust the PSI according to the carpet fiber and construction, as well as the level of soiling. A typical approach might include using lower pressures for delicate fibers and moderate pressures for more durable carpets, generally not exceeding 300-400 PSI for most residential carpets.

When incorporating agitation into the process, tools like CRBs (counter-rotating brushes) or 175 RPM floor machines can effectively loosen soil without the need to amplify water pressure excessively. This combined approach helps in achieving a thorough clean without risking the integrity of the carpet structure or the subflooring materials.

This method not only preserves the health of the carpet but also enhances its appearance and prolongs its life, making it a more sustainable choice both from a maintenance and a customer satisfaction perspective. It seems you've got a good handle on adjusting these variables for optimal outcomes, which is a core skill in professional carpet care!

400 psi plus pre-spray plus 3 strokes " MUD MAKER"

 

[Pro-Helper]

400 psi plus pre-spray plus 3 strokes " MUD MAKER"

Absolutely, using excessive PSI, even when combined with pre-spray and multiple cleaning strokes, can indeed lead to over-wetting, which you aptly refer to as "mud making." This is especially problematic in carpet cleaning because it not only extends drying times but can also lead to issues like wicking, browning, and even potential mold growth if the carpet remains damp for too long.

When working with truckmounts or portable extractors, it's crucial to adjust the PSI according to the type of carpet fiber, its construction, and the level of soiling. For most residential carpet cleaning, maintaining a water pressure around 200-300 PSI is usually adequate to effectively clean without risking over-wetting. This ensures that water penetrates only as deep as needed to rinse out the pre-spray and loosened soil effectively.

In addition, it's beneficial to enhance the cleaning process with proper agitation (using tools like a CRB or a 175 RPM floor machine), which helps break up soil so that less water and lower pressure are needed for rinsing. After a thorough agitation, the loosened soil becomes much easier to extract, reducing the risk of creating "mud."

To manage moisture effectively, adopt thorough extraction techniques, ensure multiple drying passes, and possibly utilize air movers to speed up the drying process immediately after cleaning. These steps elevate the overall quality of cleaning and safeguard the carpet's integrity and appearance.

 

[frank fratto]

You can blow grout out with too much psi. Too little don't cut it either. Match it with the difficulty.

Sorry Kenny gave you the wrong answer to this question.

I treated it like carpet not tile.

Pro-Helper F me up